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MessagePosté: Dim Oct 10, 2004 7:40 pm 
Hello All: Being familiar with history and genealogy, I have nowhere found traces of a Jesus Bloodline.
It's being indicated that Christianity was invented by clever priests.
Christianity is assumed to be mythological themes aiming to explain the human condition of knowledge of sin, misery and death.
Wulf Larson. :D [/u]


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MessagePosté: Mer Avr 20, 2005 8:19 am 
Greetings: I've recently read a similar opinion that the "the story of the Garden of Eden and several other Biblical Themes are theological use of mythological themes to explain human progression from a state of innocence and bliss to the present human condition of knowledge of sin, misery, and death." :-? Anonymus.


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MessagePosté: Mer Avr 20, 2005 6:49 pm 
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It's often easy to forget that the early Church was a rapidly growing organisation, and as such was in a state of flux, feeling its way along, trying to adapt to each new challenge.

Of course you will find traces from older mythologies within the doctrines - very few people will accept sudden radical change without resistance (unless they are the ones orchestrating the change). Since head-hunting the CEOs of existing established religions was generally not a viable object, the Church needed to adapt its teachings so that they would be at least somewhat similar to the traditions, superstitions and beliefs of each new group or tribe encountered.

In some cases, stories were adapted to, at the very least, seem to be a different angle on a story already known to the people. In others, the stories came about out of a necessity to draw people away from practices deemed to be at odds with those of the Church. For example, Satan acquired his horns and tail in France and England, where even after their 'conversion', many people continued to worship Cernunnos, the Horned One, god of the forest and the hunt. Thus the church ascribed Cernunnos' characteristics to Satan, putting the people in the position whereby they had to choose one or the other.

Much of the esoteric symbolism which is today associated with Satan worship in fact belongs to the cult of Cernunnos, but once the Church had assigned these symbols to Satan, there was no going back.


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MessagePosté: Jeu Avr 21, 2005 8:13 am 
I enjoyed the comments by Mark H.
The last sentense made me compare "religion" with Darwin's evolution.
..... the cult of Cernunnos, but once the Church had assigned these symbols to Satan, there was no going back.

By "freezing" the Scripures the "Church" has also made required evolution of the Scriptures, as new and more correct information becomes available, impossible.
This could definately be a "handicap" of the "Church's" teachings.


Darwin's evolution has arrived at the idea that:
1. All organisms (humans) are showing small, randomly variations and these variations are inherited.

2. All organisms replicate themselves in larger numbers than may grow up.

3. As an average, those replications that are best adapted, will live and replicate themselves in ever larger numbers.
These variations will be replicated and mutated through natural selection into ever new specimen.

4. The mental competence of humans is a result of the evolution. Randomly mutation have created humans, our feelings, ability to reason, our language and our soul.

By comparing the "Scriptures" with Darwin's theorems, we really are comparing life of two different worlds.
Jesus, the bloodline, is an integrated part of the "Scriptures".

Wulf Larson.


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MessagePosté: Sam Mai 28, 2005 2:50 pm 
I'm curious about these themes without getting an understanding I can live with (of Jesus, the bloodline).
My understanding, so far, is that we are dealing with an age-old theological use of mythological themes to explain human progression from a primitive state to the present condition of knowledge of sin, misery, and death.
But then, why do some persons take these themes for being facts?
Are we still being primitive, but believing we have made progression?
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MessagePosté: Sam Mai 28, 2005 9:56 pm 
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Anonymus. a écrit:
Are we still being primitive, but believing we have made progression?


Absolutely. In 2000 years, how will humankind view our world? We are more advanced than previous generations, of that there is no doubt, but each new generation in the future will also be more advanced than we are, thus in the eyes of future observers, our culture will appear positively primitive, with little to distinguish it from, for example, the Roman Empire. At the current rate of technological progression, they will be absolutely right. And at the same time, they too will appear primitive to their distant descendants.

Technologies will come and go, and archeologists will marvel at 'votive' artifacts since the knowledge that goes with the artifact will have been lost. Imagine finding a DVD disk 2000 years in the future. Without knowledge of the laser reading technology the archeologists will have no way to determine its function. Even if they do discover the minute pits that make up the data recording, what chance have they of decrypting the encoded movie without a 'Rosetta Stone' to explain the MPEG encryption algorithm? And just to belabour the point: even if they do manage to decypher the disk, how will they interpret our culture based on one single movie with no context to place it in...


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MessagePosté: Sam Juin 04, 2005 9:35 am 
It seems that we here are dealing with at least two lines of evolution:
a) the evolution of the species.
b) the evolution of the Church's Scriptures.
The two lines are most likely going to meet in the future even though the Church froze the evolution of the Sciptures a long time ago.
If this reasoning is correct, and if an unspecified number of the Scriptures come from ancient mythology, many questions arises.
These unspecified Scriptures are assumed to be theological use of mythological themes ment to explain our progression from a primitive state to our present condition, which is still primitive as seen from advanced generations.
In this case, I don't understand why we are researching the mythological bloodline of Jesus.
Anonymus.


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MessagePosté: Dim Juil 10, 2005 1:44 pm 
Hello all. If we should happen to discover the blood line of jesus, what can we do about it?
I can't imagine what we can improve on ourselves regarding our biological evolution by discovering the blood line.
Our behavioral patterns can hardly be improved, because the patterns are so heavily polluted -thanks to what?- that no improvements will take effect.
If we leave the blood line of Jesus be, what then should we consentrate on?

Wulf Larson.


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MessagePosté: Jeu Juil 14, 2005 5:31 pm 
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who belive in miracles?who does really belive Jesus is the son of God?Does anybody belive in God as well as the Church of Rome tells us He is?
Well...I don't. In my opinion we are thousands miles away from the truth.
The same truth betrayed by the Church.Well..I guess Jesus could be an alien as well or someone just like a magician ( come on !! let's be serious please!!).He was "just" a king.

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MessagePosté: Mer Juil 20, 2005 8:08 pm 
meljahkanz a écrit:
who belive in miracles?who does really belive Jesus is the son of God?Does anybody belive in God as well as the Church of Rome tells us He is?
Well...I don't. In my opinion we are thousands miles away from the truth.
The same truth betrayed by the Church.Well..I guess Jesus could be an alien as well or someone just like a magician ( come on !! let's be serious please!!).He was "just" a king.
:evil:

Your doctrine is leaking water rapidly my friend
Just listen to all the evangelical radio stations and the money they generate Jesus lives in the dollar bill


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MessagePosté: Mer Juil 20, 2005 8:14 pm 
Anonymus. a écrit:
I'm curious about these themes without getting an understanding I can live with (of Jesus, the bloodline).
My understanding, so far, is that we are dealing with an age-old theological use of mythological themes to explain human progression from a primitive state to the present condition of knowledge of sin, misery, and death.
But then, why do some persons take these themes for being facts?
Are we still being primitive, but believing we have made progression?
java :roll: script:emoticon(':)')
If your daughter camehome and said she was impregnated by the holy spirit ,Would you believe her?


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MessagePosté: Mer Juil 20, 2005 11:00 pm 
Anonymous a écrit:
Greetings: I've recently read a similar opinion that the "the story of the Garden of Eden and several other Biblical Themes are theological use of mythological themes to explain human progression from a state of innocence and bliss to the present human condition of knowledge of sin, misery, and death." :-? Anonymus.
:D



All Bollcks my friend all BOLLOCKS I CAN ASSURE YOU no question, you put your mind at rest all bollocks


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MessagePosté: Mer Juil 20, 2005 11:07 pm 
Anonimus. a écrit:
It seems that we here are dealing with at least two lines of evolution:
a) the evolution of the species.
b) the evolution of the Church's Scriptures.
The two lines are most likely going to meet in the future even though the Church froze the evolution of the Sciptures a long time ago.
If this reasoning is correct, and if an unspecified number of the Scriptures come from ancient mythology, many questions arises.
These unspecified Scriptures are assumed to be theological use of mythological themes ment to explain our progression from a primitive state to our present condition, which is still primitive as seen from advanced generations.
In this case, I don't understand why we are researching the mythological bloodline of Jesus.
Anonymus.
:( You dont have to worry about the origins of evolution my friend, leave that to us experts,a little education goes a long way,I can tell you that for a fact but remember not all people were born with the same faculties so dont take it to heart mind yourself and may you stay healthy and active


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MessagePosté: Mer Juil 20, 2005 11:20 pm 
Anonymous a écrit:
I enjoyed the comments by Mark H.
The last sentense made me compare "religion" with Darwin's evolution.
..... the cult of Cernunnos, but once the Church had assigned these symbols to Satan, there was no going back.

By "freezing" the Scripures the "Church" has also made required evolution of the Scriptures, as new and more correct information becomes available, impossible.
This could definately be a "handicap" of the "Church's" teachings.


Darwin's evolution has arrived at the idea that:
1. All organisms (humans) are showing small, randomly variations and these variations are inherited.

Wulf believe me we have spent years studying these matters,educated men disecting doctrines and philosophys,imparting our knowledge in simple language for the man on the street so he might learn the ways of the educated spirit. My advice to you would be to get involved in your local community in some way and perhaps ease your mind of such weighty burdens,all the best Wulf andas i said dont worry too much about it for i fear a timber boat beckons to ferry us all across the nile!

2. All organisms replicate themselves in larger numbers than may grow up.

3. As an average, those replications that are best adapted, will live and replicate themselves in ever larger numbers.
These variations will be replicated and mutated through natural selection into ever new specimen.

4. The mental competence of humans is a result of the evolution. Randomly mutation have created humans, our feelings, ability to reason, our language and our soul.

By comparing the "Scriptures" with Darwin's theorems, we really are comparing life of two different worlds.
Jesus, the bloodline, is an integrated part of the "Scriptures".

Wulf Larson.
:x


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 Sujet du message: Re: Jesus, the bloodline.
MessagePosté: Mer Juil 20, 2005 11:30 pm 
Wulf Larson a écrit:
Hello all. If we should happen to discover the blood line of jesus, what can we do about it?
I can't imagine what we can improve on ourselves regarding our biological evolution by discovering the blood line.
Our behavioral patterns can hardly be improved, because the patterns are so heavily polluted -thanks to what?- that no improvements will take effect.
If we leave the blood line of Jesus be, what then should we consentrate on?

Wulf Larson.
:D

lend not your thougts Wulf on aquiring the lineage of some modern day jesus in the flesh, If indeed this fiction was inded true I would hazard a guess as to where you might find him fish and chip van rag and bone man scrap merchant second hand car salesman, along these lines undertaker
perhaps a toilet cleaner somewhere in glastonbury


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