Rennes le Chateau

Inscrit le: 26 Juin 2004 Messages: 2

There isn't actually any ambiguity as to were they state the treasure to be, and the gold that is there to be dug up.

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/morph225/Arc-et-Senans.htm

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/morph225/Rennesles-Bains.htm

Could it be any simpler....?

Morph.

“Unfortunate is the one who fails to see in reality what he is being made to see, who is unable to imagine that: from plans to plans” (C.-N. Ledoux)

Inscrit le: 26 Juin 2004 Messages: 2

I've also put the relationship of Jesus and Mary Magdalene into it's proper mythological come legendary context, with not a whiff of scandal in sight....

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/morph225/Squaring-the-Circle.htm

Morph.

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I commend you on discovering a method which produces an angle between the left and right staves of The Shepherds of Arcadia painting which is close enough to be plausible. Now if you can explain the the middle staff, you'll have a nice little theory there.

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Actually, it turns out my optimism about your Poussin solution was a little premature. It looked good on your web page but when I tried to reproduce it with my autocad program the problems revealed themselves.
Though you can make a 7 x 5 grid out of the image-bearing part of the canvas, at least close enough to be plausible, if you start an 18.4349488 degree downward line (which is what the true angle of your left line is)from the top of the first vertical grid line to the right of the left edge of the canvas it will be way to the left of the left staff. It's nowhere close to lining up with the staff. It does pass along the right side of the bottom end of the left staff, but since that is the only part of the staff that it matches up with it would be hard to make a case for it being of any major significance.
It's also not possible to start a line from the top of the 4th grid line and have it align with the right staff. I didn't notice it when I viewed your web page but the line you have for the right staff doesn't really align with it. It crosses over it, starting on the right side of the top end and ending up at the left side of the bottom end.
The angle produced between the two lines the way you did it is actually off from the true angle required to match up with both staves by a little over 2 degrees.
Surprisingly, it IS possible to produce a line very close to the required angle to match up with the right staff by having the line from the 4th grid line terminate 13 horizontal grid lines down the third vertical grid line rather than 9. The line is still a little to the right of the right edge of the staff, but at least it is at the same angle, or about 1/5th of a degree off.
In summary, although the 7 x 5 grid may have potential, making the lines to match the staves the way you did is just not feasible.
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but somebody else would have checked it at some time anyway.

Inscrit le: 31 Déc 2005 Messages: 526

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Actually, it turns out my optimism about your Poussin solution was a little premature. It looked good on your web page but when I tried to reproduce it with my autocad program the problems revealed themselves.
Though you can make a 7 x 5 grid out of the image-bearing part of the canvas, at least close enough to be plausible, if you start an 18.4349488 degree downward line (which is what the true angle of your left line is)from the top of the first vertical grid line to the right of the left edge of the canvas it will be way to the left of the left staff. It's nowhere close to lining up with the staff. It does pass along the right side of the bottom end of the left staff, but since that is the only part of the staff that it matches up with it would be hard to make a case for it being of any major significance.
It's also not possible to start a line from the top of the 4th grid line and have it align with the right staff. I didn't notice it when I viewed your web page but the line you have for the right staff doesn't really align with it. It crosses over it, starting on the right side of the top end and ending up at the left side of the bottom end.
The angle produced between the two lines the way you did it is actually off from the true angle required to match up with both staves by a little over 2 degrees.
Surprisingly, it IS possible to produce a line very close to the required angle to match up with the right staff by having the line from the 4th grid line terminate 13 horizontal grid lines down the third vertical grid line rather than 9. The line is still a little to the right of the right edge of the staff, but at least it is at the same angle, or about 1/5th of a degree off.
In summary, although the 7 x 5 grid may have potential, making the lines to match the staves the way you did is just not feasible.
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but somebody else would have checked it at some time anyway.

Schellenberger and Andrews do a better line up.

The right hand shepherd (the red shepherd) forms a seven sided polygram inside the same circle.

The key is the central image.

Inscrit le: 29 Mai 2006 Messages: 4

It depends what degree of exactitude one would expect to see in a painting, were any preliminary design is going to adjust to accomodate naturalism and neccesary readjustments during the course of the painting, the best laid plans do tend to shift during the painting process, so for example any slight variation in the positioning of say a hand holding a stave would then carry through into the angle that the stave could be illustrated at.

The angles i have suggested do not accord with autocad precision, that much is certain, however in terms of straightforward pictorial harmonics they look correct.

The same geometric principle also carries through into the painting by Teniers, not to mention the Great Pyramid...

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/morph225/pyramids.htm

Morph.

Inscrit le: 29 Mai 2006 Messages: 4

The Schellenberger and Andrews conjecture is in the manner of the worst excesses of imposing lines and polygonic forms onto the painting which poorly describe any of the key lines of composition and even given the liberties taken with such contivance produce nothing of any value...the central 'image' as has been seen is nothing but a few loose brush strokes capable of lending themselves to illusary effect.

Morph.

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And the "treasure" of Rennes-le-Chateau is not a historical fact but an addictive fantasy created by the popular imagination. And Nicolas Poussin never visited Rennes-le-Chateau - the tomb at Les Pontils was only constructed in 1933. The Poussin connection originates from a decoded message contained in a "parchment" faked by Philippe de Cherisey dating from the early 1960s currently in the possession of Jean-Luc Chaumeil who received it from Pierre Plantard. The decoding to the "parchment" relies on several keywords one of which is PRAE-CUM which is standard Plantard trademark related to the Priory of Sion which itself was a figment of Plantard's imagination.

The "treasure" of Rennes-le-Chateau, Nicolas Poussin, the "parchments", the Priory of Sion ---- ALL A PACK OF LIES that does not stand the critical test.

Posté le: Jeu Juin 29, 2006 5:06 pm

But then - what happened to the money Msgr. Billard received from this lady Sabathier who passed away? 1 point 2 millions Goldfrancs it is said. Couldn't have Billard used that money to "feed" his priests?
Wouldn't that be an explanation for Sauniere's wealth?

Inscrit le: 31 Déc 2005 Messages: 526

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But then - what happened to the money Msgr. Billard received from this lady Sabathier who passed away? 1 point 2 millions Goldfrancs it is said. Couldn't have Billard used that money to "feed" his priests?
Wouldn't that be an explanation for Sauniere's wealth?

Then there's no reason we shouldn't know about it.

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>>>But then - what happened to the money Msgr. Billard received from
>>>this lady Sabathier who passed away? 1 point 2 millions Goldfrancs it
>>>is said. Couldn't have Billard used that money to "feed" his priests?
>>>Wouldn't that be an explanation for Sauniere's wealth?

Sauniere left a lot of his bills unpaid and a lot of things he had on credit were reclaimed by the owners. Sauniere's financial history is no mystery.

Posté le: Ven Juin 30, 2006 9:13 am

@ rennes17,
does anybody know where Billard's million went to? The church of NDdM did cost him only 53.000 Fr.

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@ rennes17,
does anybody know where Billard's million went to? The church of NDdM did cost him only 53.000 Fr.

It did not go to Sauniere and that's a fact - Sauniere would not have left unpaid bills behind and he would not have been living in poverty in 1915 when he wanted to sell his estate to raise money to buy food in order to eat. Sauniere died a penniless pauper in 1917.

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eginolf a écrit:

@ rennes17,
does anybody know where Billard's million went to? The church of NDdM did cost him only 53.000 Fr.

It did not go to Sauniere and that's a fact - Sauniere would not have left unpaid bills behind and he would not have been living in poverty in 1915 when he wanted to sell his estate to raise money to buy food in order to eat. Sauniere died a penniless pauper in 1917.

And Marie Denarnaud lived for almost another forty years without ever having to work.

Who built this?

View 1905

AND THIS?

Inscrit le: 31 Déc 2005 Messages: 526

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eginolf a écrit:

@ rennes17,
does anybody know where Billard's million went to? The church of NDdM did cost him only 53.000 Fr.

It did not go to Sauniere and that's a fact - Sauniere would not have left unpaid bills behind and he would not have been living in poverty in 1915 when he wanted to sell his estate to raise money to buy food in order to eat. Sauniere died a penniless pauper in 1917.

HERE'S ANOTHER PICTURE OF SAUNIERE STARVING